For Marvel and DCU, I think that question should be put to the wranglers of each of those fandoms individually, because I don't think we were actually asked? (The subcat couldn't be "Marvel" anyway, because "Marvel" is the metatag for everything, including cartoons and movies. The metatag right now for the comics is "Marvel (Comics)". So again, I'd suggest actually putting that question to the wranglers before making that call.)
Fairy Tales has 80-90 fandoms and has discussed asking for a subcat in Books & Lit. I'll check again with the wranglers to confirm that. (Our issue is that we don't have a way to separate out the traditional stories from the adaptations, because the fandom that was created for everything was "& Related Fandoms", and we have a whole bunch of "-AMT" tags subbed to that, so if you just want to find works based on traditional stories, right now you have to click story by story.)
I'll check in with the Religion & Lore conclave, but I believe the term "Religion & Lore" is preferred to "Myth" in any form. I'll get y'all a firm answer on that shortly.
We probably need a Cartoons category in Animation & Comics, as there are easily over a hundred fandoms that would otherwise just be floating there.
That's all I have at the moment. Thanks for your hard work on these, especially the megacategory names!
I would love to see a "Fairy Tales - Traditional" to separate out from the "& Related." I'm aware that would mean re-wrangling a lot of fics, and that those the authors had tagged as "& Related" couldn't be fixed unless the authors changed them. But I don't like having to search out each story separately, and otherwise have no way to filter out the growing amount of modern fairy-tale based movie & tv show fics.
(I prefer Religion & Lore to Myth. And I'm sure it'd avoid some unnecessary drama when evangelicals discover Bible!slash.)
We won't really have to re-wrangle. I mean, the users may want to re-tag, yes, and we should publicize that. But we did a huuuuuge re-wrangling this spring, so all the fairy tales that have been tagged for have their own fandoms separate from the "-AMT" tags, with appropriate language pipes. I have some amazing co-wranglers, seriously.
And good idea about using the "- Traditional" disambig. That would make a lot of sense.
Thanks for offering to go-between, but many of us are wranglers and can approach the different teams easily (and the teams can send in their feedback to our mailing list or approach us, too).
We're open to having a Cartoons-type subcategory, but plain 'comics' or 'cartoons' were pointed out to be ambiguous in the internal feedback round. If you have suggestions regarding its name and contents, do let us know.
In the meantime, I've noted down your feedback for our discussion.
I'm going between because I'm a member of these teams - FT & Marvel, at least. Ane has already spoken for DC, but I think it'd be good to get an opinion from the Marvel leads. I'm also moderating the Religion & Folklore conclave, which is off-list, so it seemed appropriate to post the topic for that group to decide (which they're doing). I'm not doing this as staff, just as a member of the teams affected.
Hasn't the internal wrangler feedback period already taken place? Though at the time Marvel and DC didn't know they were being considered for subcats, and the R&F conclave hadn't started yet, so no feedback was possible on those points. Was another wrangler round planned? Or do you prefer that we open a new thread for wrangler feedback on the internal mailing list directly related to this post?
Ah, I haven't kept up with the membership of the special teams. Even though the official round of internal feedback has passed, the proposal will be sent to tag wranglers after this stage, and we're always open to be emailed about it, both by internal and external stakeholders.
If you want, I can meet with one or various of you in chat and bring back your feedback to the workgroup, or if it's something static you have already decided, you're always welcome to email it to us (our internal wiki page has several ways to contact us).
The Marvel and DC subcategories were suggested at the time of that feedback round to fix the issue of ambiguous subcategory names.
You likely had access to only a portion of the feedback the workgroup received, in all feedback rounds — including the internal one -- but maybe I'm mistaken. I haven't checked all the feedback compilations again.
Cartoons and Comics wouldn't be ambiguous if we included all cartoons and comics in them (including manga), like we include all TV Shows or Movies in their categories, but then they would be less useful as a subdivision of the larger list.
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